My Photo

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner

_


Related Posts Plugin for WordPress, Blogger...

« Yet another thought from a class devotion | Main | Bruised camels... »

October 05, 2005

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341ea3a053ef00d834e5124853ef

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference What Saint Paul Really Didn't Say:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

jvpastor

As far as I understand Wright says something similiar, the righteousness we recieve from God is not His righteousnesss. It is a declaration. God is Righteous in his handling of the covenant, he cannot give that righteousness to us. If there is a law court setting and God is the judge and the law is in play we stand before Him condemned, but because of Jesus He can declare us in "right standing" (righteous), however that "right standing" is not God's righteousness being imparted or imputed to us. God's righteousness is his possession, and cannot be given to us. What we recieve according to Wright is a different righteousness.

I know I have read somethings by Kasemann, but it has been awhile. Sounds like its worth checking out. Surely you will be reading some NT Wright in this course?

Natalie

Who is NT Wright?? :)

Yep his What Saint Paul Really Said is one of our primary texts...my prof calls it a quirky little gem of a book!!

Wasp Jerky

Short answer: he's a bishop and has written over 30 books, including at least one on Paul. The longer answer is here.

jvpastor

I was a big fan of "What St. Paul...", I am struggling through "The New Testament and the People of God" right now. He has some excellent lecutures on "Creation and New Creation" and we have them here at the church if you want to check them out next time your in town.

Mojo

nice site

http://theway.blog.com

Mark

FYI, I'm not quite on board with "salvation-creating power" but I do think Wright is right on this issue (which is similar) and I am grateful. FWIW, here is a blog post with links to my reflections and studies on these issues:

http://markhorne.blogspot.com/2005/10/righteousness-of-god.html

Toasty Moe

If "free gift" is an "over translation" then how else should it be translated? If it is a costly gift then why does Paul call it a gift at all?

Please accept my questions as an honest inquiry and not a challenge.

Natalie

Someone in class gave a great example of the nuanced way to think about free vs. costly gifts. Think of the (usually expensive) wedding ring that a husband gives his wife. Sure, it was a gift to her, but that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t value the gift and think of it as costly.

Like Kasemann says: salvation is still a gift, but it costs our entire lives to receive it. It's supposed to be translated as just "gift," not "free gift." Perhaps we’ve taken the "free" part to a level at which it shouldn’t be. It wasn’t free for Jesus—it cost him a horrible amount of suffering and his life to give us the gift. And it’s not free for us—it costs us our lives, too (and also a horrible amount of suffering??).

Then again I'm not a Greek scholar, so I'm not much help!

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment