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December 02, 2005

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Todd

hello nat, glad you are weighing in on this one. here is the link to the full paper moore offers (http://www.henryinstitute.org/documents/2005ETS.pdf). i wonder if you would have seen any of the sources he uses. this is the second paper this week i have read that makes me queasy at the scholarship offered as "conservative."

Nicole

I was speaking with a wife who supports complementarian views yesterday, and even she was admitting that if you want women follow that lifestyle, then women couldn't be the primary parent.

See, if you want the wife to be submissive, but then put so much running of the household and managing the children into her hands, then she's by default in a position to make multiple decisions everyday that are leadership decisions.

I don't agree with her complementarian stance, but at least she was able to see that being complementarian doesn't work without drastic changes in the way churches view things.

(And I don't like the implications of those changes, and nature shows that those aren't good changes. Children naturally make the mother the primary parent, even if she isn't the primary caregiver.)

Natalie

Todd,
Thanks for the link to Moore's paper...it was good to see him flesh out his argument a little more. I've actually read a really good article co-written by Gallagher and Smith, which is a good, um, complement (couldn't resist!) to Moore's. They attribute the changing views within evangelicalism to the economic changes that the US has experienced in the past century. It's pretty interesting, and I have it in PDF if you want to read it.

Nicole,
Good point! It is such a paradox to insist that, in all cases, fathers rather than mothers should be the spiritual leaders of the family, when a lot of times mothers are in more of a position to influence their children.

ding

fascinating! thanks for the link and i can't wait to read the paper. having come from a very conservative church i have often thought there's many a slip between doctrine and practice in many conservative marriages. (my parents' relationship being one of those.)

amy

great blog....i found you on a common n.t. wright link and really enjoy your thoughts. i went to seminary for 2 years and my best friend is in seminary now...can't wait to check out the "bridget jones goes to seminary" blog

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