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November 22, 2011

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WritingJoy

Excellent post, Natalie. My church (southern baptist in the tradition of Mohler) is discussing creation in Sunday school and this has been a HUGE debate. I think we've totally derailed -- the point isn't science and literalism, it's that God created and then humans sinned, and now we need a Savior. It's the foundation of the entire story of redemption. All the debate about creation is an exercise in missing the point.

Natalie

Thanks Joy. "Derailed" is the perfect word to describe this emphasis on countering science. In imposing a literalist, textbook view I wonder how much of the redemption story we've missed out on exploring.

I grew up SBC and still dearly love my former fellow SBC-ers - it's just that Mohler's tone makes him a great example when I disagree with a belief or mindset that seems common in the SBC!

www.somuchshoutingsomuchlaughter.com

i book a retreat speaker for a moms' weekend in the spring, and imagine my surprise when she started going off about how the gospel hinges on a young earth. sweet mercy.

thankfully, no one else seemed to mind, but those "Jesus ANDs" make me insane. i'm with origin in that if the sun wasn't created until day four, how can we possibly measure creation in 24 hour increments? to me, it just doesn't matter HOW he did it--God created the world. the end. i wish people would give each other more permission to agree to disagree and embrace a little mystery.

Natalie

I like that phrase "Jesus ANDS," especially since I see those "ands" added on in so many other contexts (gender roles, hell).

Carl

Another ancient Christian worth naming on creationism is St. Boethius. For Boethius the problem was that according to Aristotle the earth had always been around, so he was embarrassed by the way that Genesis insisted the world was created at a certain time. Aristotle's argument for the eternality of the world—nothing comes from nothing, ex nihilo nihil fit—seemed good to him. Boethius solved the exegetical crisis by explaining that the world is not "eternal" but "perpetual." The world has always been around, but it has to be keep moving by God. God on the other hand is truly "eternal" because he is all the way outside of time.

So, if you think a 5 billion year old earth and 14 billion year old universe is a new theory, try Boethius, for whom the world was infinity years old!

Natalie

Thanks Carl, that's interesting. The more I learn about the ancient world, the more I realize we 21st century folks take for granted that people who lived 1500+ years ago often had radically different ideas about things we take for granted today. Too often we forget this when interpreting the Bible, also an ancient text.

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