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February 21, 2012


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Not that you need any more bolstering for your cross-examination of the witnesses, but here is an interesting post - http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/18/the-biblical-view-thats-younger-than-the-happy-meal/.

And, I think Fred has another specifically on Rick Warren.


Thanks Todd, I did see those posts and would love to read up a little more on this change since it was before my time.


I know no one is perfect and that stances change, and I'm certainly not claiming to be perfect.

The addition of this sentence puzzled me until I thought back to what it's like to be in a church environment, where "Let [the one] who is without sin cast the first stone" and "Judge not lest ye be judged" apply not to the leadership (never to the leadership), but to those who try to point out flaws in how leaders behave. I'd forgotten about that; in every other culture I've been a part of, this is so obvious not to need mentioning. What a toxic environment American Christianity is.


I never thought of it that way, Leighton. I wonder if, with our 24-hour cable news and dumbing-down in general of political discourse, evangelical leaders aren't allowed to have nuanced views or to acknowledge they could be wrong. Or those who would have developing, grey-area views don't get invited on to talk shows or to write op-eds, and don't end up as the most popular or loudest voices...


While I don't agree with them, I don't see the logical contradiction for their impeachment. Could you please spell it out?

To me, the moral difference is that, in the Iraq war, killing innocent people was unintentional, while killing an innocent fetus is the very point of abortion.

Unfortunately, Fred Clark's article is a misleading representation of scripture and the history of Christianity. The exact words may change over time, but the concept has been pretty consistent for those who care to research it.

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